In today's episode of American Alchemy, Jesse Michels sits down with Matthew Pines, a national security expert and Fellow at the Bitcoin Policy Institute, to explore the intersections of secret physics programs, elite networks, and UAP disclosure. From the CIA's founding to mid-century breakthroughs in theoretical physics, and the role of gatekeepers in modern UFO revelations, this conversation dives into alternate histories and the future of humanity. Enjoy this interview with Matthew Pines! | Sponsors | Remove your personal information from the web at https://joindeleteme.com/JESSE20 and use code JESSE20 for 20% off. DeleteMe international Plans: https://international.joindeleteme.com -------------------------- JOIN OUR WHOP (Early Drops/Ad Free) ➤ https://whop.com/jessemichels Patreon (Early Drops/Ad Free) ➤ https://www.patreon.com/c/JesseMichels Discord ➤https://discord.gg/crHc44m3kF Instagram ➤ https://www.instagram.com/jessemichelsofficial TikTok ➤ https://www.tiktok.com/@itsjessemichels X ➤ https://twitter.com/AlchemyAmerican Spotify ➤ https://tinyurl.com/jessemichelsspotify Clips Channel ➤ https://www.youtube.com/@jessemichelsclips Website ➤ https://www.jesse-michels.com/ Media Inquiries ➤ gordon@jessemichelsmedia.com Original music: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6LlLRudDi60Uy4jcmOSEs1 #physics #theoreticalphysics #uap #americanalchemy #jessemichels #aliens #space #elonmusk #matthewpines