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He views cyber espionage as a necessary tool for modern states but differentiates between the destructive nature of criminal hacking and the non-destructive nature of traditional espionage.
“People hack for espionage and security, securing a nation. People maybe even hack, you know, espionage to me supports diplomacy.”
Shawn Ryan Show · Aug 2026 · 1 episode · 430K views on this topicExtracted by a model; may misattribute who said what.