The podcast's success is driven by the authentic friendship between the hosts and their ability to provide an unfiltered, intellectually honest perspective on complex topics.

“I think that they appreciate our friendship it's kind of like odd and quirky and I think a lot of you know it maps to like relationships that they have amongst their own friends so that's what makes it relatable but the second is that all of us uniquely have a point of view about stuff that matters”

Mainstream media has become completely ideologized and partisan, which explains why audiences are turning to independent sources for substance.

“I think the reason why people seek out our podcasts and other podcasts and sub Stacks is and and sort of this kind of independent journalism and are willing to pay for it is because the mainstream media has become totally devoid of substance it's as partisan and idiol and ideologized as it's ever be”