The fashion industry possesses the influence and potential to act as a catalyst for global change.

“it's such a cultural force in the world and fashion has the power to change things”

She views fashion as a vital cultural and economic force that creates jobs and defines social moments.

“I think fashion is a cultural it's an economic force. It gives millions of people jobs all over the world, but it's also a cultural force. I think it doesn't operate in a silo. you know, we are as important in the messages that we're telling, the stories that we're telling as a great artist or a a l”

Fashion is a tool for communication and key messaging rather than just aesthetics.

“So for us it's not just about wearing clothes again as I said it's about key messaging. It's about communication and because this has been a core part of us, you you you realize that everyone expresses it differently and it makes it authentic.”

Internships serve as an essential, though currently less accessible, entry point for young people to learn the structure and relationships of the fashion industry.

“I spent I don't know, years doing free internships. And that's what gave me a leg into fashion, you know, cuz back in those days you could just go into any office and work for free. And now the fact that we can't do that, I actually think it definitely holds people back a little bit”

Mentorship is vital for young people to succeed and navigate the challenges of the fashion industry.

“it's so important for me to Mentor young people it's so important for young people to have mentors because had I not been looked after I don't know where I would be”

Joe Rogan believes the fashion industry is exploitative and has long been involved in sexual exploitation.

“all of these human trafficking people they love their like hooks into fashion like really oh yeah so John Luke Burnell who is the guy that you know was like a big Epstein Confidant and Associate was like a high level fashion photographer and it makes sense because like you're they're recruiting thes”

He shares the host's distrust of the jewelry industry, agreeing that it lacks transparency and is prone to selling compromised products.

“I don't trust the jewelers because I just feel like it's a sleazy industry. And and it is nobody really knows, right? It's one of these things where there's so many tricks that can be played.”