He asserts that DMT provides access to an intelligent, non-human agent rather than being a mere hallucination.

“I don't call it spirits or aliens or anything like that. I think there's some it's clear to me that there's some kind of intelligence and that intelligence is interacting with our brain in some way and and showing us kind of what it wants us to see if you like.”

He suggests the DMT state might be a gateway to a non-physical dimension with its own distinct laws.

“My question rather, is not is are we sure it's a vision or is it a gateway? Are is it are you entering into a non-physical space that has its own laws that it's very different but it is a reality”