She views the 'pain cave' as a place to be embraced and celebrated, where the actual work of making oneself stronger occurs, rather than a place to be avoided.

“in the past couple years, I mean it's just a mindset, right? It's like all in our heads this thing and in the past couple years it's been the place I want to get to so like changing it to a place where I get to celebrate that I made it there and then that's where the work actually happens.”