The Munich Security Conference was disappointing because European leaders failed to demonstrate the leadership or sense of urgency required to address current security threats.

“people thought okay now we're coming this could be the moment where there's going to be a real sense of urgency people are going to really step up and grip it and you're right there's been some stuff around the edges but the fundamental story is macron didn't turn up camel Harris and Schultz”

JD Vance utilized the Munich Security Conference as a platform for domestic political posturing rather than meaningful engagement on international security.

“I couldn't help thinking when I bumped into David Cameron just before Christmas he did at one point say is really true ever going to say anything positive about me on your podcast anyway but I think that what I would say about that is that it was very much for the domestic American audience”