In this engaging interview, Mike from LDS Discussions,@NEMOTHEMORMON and John Dehlin review the failed prophecies of Mormonism's founder, Joseph. They start by discussing what the Bible says about failed prophecies and those who tell them. They then delve into specific failed prophecies, including the Second Coming of the Lord in 1891, the fall and overthrow of the US government, and the "everlasting" covenant of the United Order. Other failed prophecies discussed include the failed treasure seeking mission to Salem and the failed attempt to sell the Book of Mormon copyright. Was Joseph was wrong or is it was God's fault? What good is having General Conference, either way? The hosts also discuss how FAIR Mormon tries to spin failures into fulfillments and concludes with some final thoughts on the implications of these failed prophecies of Joseph for Mormons today. LDS Discussion Essay on Joseph Smith's Revelations: https://www.ldsdiscussions.com/revelations-joseph-smith Donate to Nemo: https://donorbox.org/nemothemormon Episode Show Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/josephs-failed-prophecies-ldsd-37/ LDS Discussions Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p7gAxwsM_k&list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced 00:00:00 Introduction 00:03:40 What the Bible Says About Failed Prophecies 00:05:00 If Joseph isn’t a prophet, it follows that Russel Nelson certainly isn’t 00:06:00 “Super-obvious department” 00:08:00 The Second Coming of the Lord in 1891 00:13:00 Failed Prophecy and continued belief 00:15:15 The Fail and Overthrow of the US Government 00:17:00 Death = “overthrown” poor apologetics 00:20:00 Is Joseph wrong or is it God? 00:25:00 Why bother w/General Conference? (Keep for closer to GC time) 00:28:30 The “Everlasting” Covenant of the United Order 00:30:00 I’m so tired of angry, toddler God 00:37:30 Leaving old revelation in to use it in the “future” 00:40:50 A Temple Will Be Built in the New Jerusalem 00:57:45 Joseph Smith Prophecy That Zion Will Not Fall 01:02:00 The Revelations During th Failing of Zion’s Camp/March 01:09:45 Blaming Members for Zion’s March Failing via God 01:17:15 Zelph the White Lamanite was Found During Zion’s Camp 01:25:00 “Zelph x 1000” 01:30:45 The Unfortunate Death of David W Patten 01:32:15 Failed Treasure Seeking Mission to Salem 01:35:00 Why can’t God create his own wealth/food/resources etc? 01:36:30 FAIR Mormon Explains the Salem Trip was Not God’s Idea? 01:43:15 The Failed Attempt to Sell the Book of Mormon Copyright 01:49:55 God’s confusing powers 01:52:00 How FAIR Mormon Tries to Spin a Failure into Fulfillment 01:54:00 John tells how he really feels about FAIR 01:56:30 Pestilence, Hail, Famine, and Earthquake Will Sweep the Wicked Away 01:59:30 How FAIR Mormon Explains this Failed Prophecy 02:03:20 Conclusions LDS Discussions Revelation Series: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOBmrs-KYzegDMyc3hjLD55l LDS Discussions Full Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced _________________________ LDS Discussions is made possible by generous donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories LDS Discussions Platforms: Website & Essays: https://www.ldsdiscussions.com Anchor: https://anchor.fm/lds-discussions Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2UkFsqYDl5SHiRX2dvA9MO YouTube Playlist on Mormon Stories Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced LDS Discussions on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/ldsdiscussions Facebook: facebook.com/ldsdiscussion Insta: instagram.com/ldsdiscussions Contact Mormon Stories: MormonStories@gmail.com PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Mormon Stories on Social Media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF