🔗Go to https://PIAVPN.com/UnHerdTV to get 83% off from our sponsor Private Internet Access with 4 months free! 📰 Subscribe to UnHerd today at: https://bit.ly/3Qdkd5y UnHerd's Freddie Sayers meets Steve Gallant. Watch it on the UnHerd website: https://unherd.com/watch-listen/the-islamist-gangs-inside-our-prisons/ Listen to the podcast: https://plnk.to/unherd?to=page Advertise on UnHerd @ zoe.white@unherd.com Watch Steve’s new podcast, The Gallantry Podcast, here: https://www.youtube.com/@TheGallantryPodcast UnHerd's Freddie Sayers speaks with Steve Gallant, a convicted murderer who served 16 years in prison and became known as a hero during the 2019 London Bridge terror attack, where he famously helped subdue the attacker, Usman Khan, with a narwhal tusk on his first-ever day release. Gallant recounts the dramatic events of that day, which led to a royal pardon and an early release, but the conversation delves deeper into the complex reality of rehabilitation and the growing threat of organised Islamist terror networks—or "the Brotherhood"—who are gaining authority and converting other inmates within the UK's high-security prisons. Gallant offers an urgent warning on the failures of the system to challenge radical ideology and reflects on the difficult question of whether true change is possible for long-term prisoners. Follow UnHerd on social media: Twitter: https://twitter.com/unherd Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/unherd/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/unherd/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@unherdtv //TIMECODES// 00:00 - 00:52 - Intro 00:52 - 02:21 - Can Murderers and Terrorists Be Rehabilitated? Introduction of Steve Gallant 02:21 - 04:47 - Sponsor 04:47 - 06:54 - Murder Conviction, Day Release and Events Leading to London Bridge 06:54 - 11:03 - The London Bridge Terror Attack: Steve Gallant's Perspective 11:03 - 12:02 - A Commuted Prison Term 12:02 - 14:57 - Dealing with Terrorist Offenders in High Security Prisons 14:57 - 20:31 - Growth of Islamist Groups in Prison and Changing Power Dynamics 20:31 - 22:58 - Conversion, Gang Formation, and Self-Protection Within Prisons 22:58 - 24:49 - Personal Interactions, Food, and Everyday Tensions in Prison 24:49 - 28:34 - Brotherhood's Influence and Policy Responses 28:34 - 31:07 - Manipulation of Rehabilitation and Release of Dangerous Prisoners 31:07 - 33:45 - Does Rehabilitation Actually Work? 33:45 - 36:11 - Are Our Prisons Too Soft? Gangs, Prison Phones, and Contraband 36:11 - 38:20 - Letting Go of Violence: Life After Prison and Lasting Restrictions 38:20 - 39:08 - Outro #UnHerd #Prisons #Terrorism