Two cases. One psychotherapist. Three conversations the audience is already having. Prosecutors say worship pastor and American Idol contestant Caleb Flynn sent more than 100,000 messages to his mistress in the year before his wife Ashley was killed. Some allegedly described plans to murder her. The defense says he was telling the other woman what she wanted to hear while simultaneously texting Ashley warm, loving messages. Bryan Kohberger confessed to killing four University of Idaho students, took a plea deal to avoid execution, and one year later filed a handwritten petition claiming the confession was forced. His family just backed his innocence claim in a public statement to ABC News. Psychotherapist and author Shavaun Scott joins Tony for a three-part conversation. Part one covers the mind of the woman who read murder texts and stayed. Part two examines the ego behind the altar. Part three asks why a family chose the spotlight for a convicted killer. Flynn has pleaded not guilty. Kohberger's petition hearing is set for June 2027. Listen Anywhere You Get Podcasts: https://pod.link/1655749292 Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod?sub_confirmation=1 Join Our SubStack For AD-FREE ADVANCE EPISODES & EXTRAS!: https://hiddenkillers.substack.com/ Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Check out Robin Dreeke's MasterClass: http://masterclass.com/robindreeke This publication contains commentary and opinion based on publicly available information. All individuals are presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Nothing published here should be taken as a statement of fact, health or legal advice. #CalebFlynn #BryanKohberger #AshleyFlynn #IdahoMurders #ShavaunScott #AmericanIdolMurder #CalebFlynnTrial #KohbergerPlea #HiddenKillers #TrueCrimePodcast