This film is to go alongside the main Rebel Wisdom investigations into the vaccine claims made on Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying's Dark Horse podcast. These are a main film called Vaccines and Dark Horse, Breaking Point: LINK NEEDED A full investigation published on Medium: https://medium.com/rebel-wisdom/on-vaccine-safety-ivermectin-and-the-dark-horse-podcast-an-investigation-f32491d4c970 And an article published in Areo magazine: https://areomagazine.com/2021/08/12/on-bret-weinstein-alternative-media-ivermectin-and-vaccine-related-controversies/ Iona Italia is editor of Areo, and both she and Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller are friends and admirers of much of Bret and Heather's work. However the Areo article is very critical of much of their recent content. In this conversation they touch on the ethical dilemmas that come in when criticising friends, and explain the editorial process in writing and publishing the article.