This is a repost of a discussion with Benjamin Boyce (@BenjaminABoyce) on the topic of the Enlightenment, rationalism and science, the problem of identity on the levels of the individual and the group, value hierarchies, authoritarianism, subsidiarity, love, and sacrifice. This conversation happened after I had some disagreements with James Lindsay on Twitter (X) about the Enlightenment and authoritarianism. My and Jordan Peterson’s research paper published through ARC. Identity: Individual and the State versus the Subsidiary Hierarchy of Heaven: https://www.arc-research.org/research-papers/the-subsidiary-hierarchy Original interview on Benjamin’s channel: https://youtu.be/UlClZ92kOVU?si=bgyngPBnLh4MPZqH -- Join us for the Symbolic World Summit on Feb 29th, 2024. Learn more: https://thesymbolicworld.com/summit -- Timestamps: 00:00 - Coming up 00:56 - Intro music 01:21 - The frame of "Enlightenment" 04:41 - How to evaluate value hierarchies 11:24 - Authoritarianism is always possible 12:49 - How do you know if there's an imbalance? 16:09 - Reality's revenge against Enlightenment thinking 17:49 - The current "Christian nationalism" 20:00 - We are downstream from WW2 23:21 - What is subsidiarity? 23:27 - ARC essay 27:08 - I'm not an idealist 29:58 - Imposing "Christianity" 32:05 - The world is becoming religious again 34:41 - The only solution for the problem of identity 36:43 - How does Subsidiarity work? 43:18 - What is an individual? And what is love? 55:26 - Top-down imposition 01:01:24 - No one wins the culture war 01:05:03 - Where does transformation start? 01:06:52 - Compassion for the strange 01:10:01 - Benjamin's approach 01:11:03 - The purpose of sacrifice 01:15:55 - Sacrifice and love 01:17:31 - Ritualized sacrifice 01:20:19 - Projects 01:24:15 - Postmodern storytelling tools 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.