What is the relationship between consciousness, religion & reality? Jonathan Pageau has a theory based on the phenomenology - birds-eye view - of consciousness itself. Jonathan is a celebrated icon carver and religious thinker. Jordan Hall is a philosopher and futurist. In this conversation they discuss consciousness, Sam Harris, parenting & religion. Jonathan Pageau's channel, the Symbolic World, is here: https://www.youtube.com/user/pageaujonathan/about To get access to more exclusive content and to join this evolving conversation, become a Rebel Wisdom member: https://www.rebelwisdom.co.uk/plans You can listen to a podcast versions of our films on Spotify or Apple Podcasts by searching 'Rebel Wisdom' or download episodes from our Podbean page: https://rebelwisdom.podbean.com/ We also have a Rebel Wisdom Discord discussion channel: https://discord.gg/RK4MeYW