Get your DEMYSTICON 2024 tickets here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/demysticon-2024-tickets-727054969987 Daniel Joachim Kleiven is a philosopher and economist with a fondness for Aristotle and St. Thomas who we found through a recent IAI article entitled “The Laws of Nature Explain Very Little.” In it, Joachim makes an argument that mathematics are a poor substitute for true understanding, and so cannot be considered ground truth of the universe. We discuss the philosophical path that brought him to this realization, the long history of people agonizing over this question, and what he suggests we replace mathematics with. Tell us what you think in the comments or on our Discord: https://discord.gg/MJzKT8CQub Sign up for a yearly Patreon membership for discounted conference tickets: https://bit.ly/3lcAasB 00:00 Go! 00:03:27 What is under the math? 00:05:28 Preserving the mind in a theory of nature 00:09:45 Philosophy as a relic in science 00:16:17 The laws of nature miss key parts of the world 00:24:24 Forces as hand of god 00:31:26 Aristotles theory of final cause 00:53:07 Laws converge on physical actors right? 01:09:13 The human animal 01:27:35 Myth does what science can't 01:43:42 Recruiting metaphysics 01:53:26 What might hide behind the laws of nature? 02:03:16 Objectivity of metaphysics? 02:18:07 Life as source of motion 02:29:06 Bruno & Galileo myths 02:36:41 Power, beliefs, philosophy #Physics, #Philosophy, #Science, #Metaphysics, #Mathematics, #Aristotle, #StThomas, #Nature, #LawsOfNature, #Mythology, #MathematicalConstants, #FineStructureConstant, #Reality, #Universe, #PodcastDiscussion, #IAIArticle, #Understanding, #ExplanatoryLimits, #PhilosophicalInquiry, #MindAndNature Check our short-films channel, @DemystifySci: https://www.youtube.com/c/DemystifyingScience AND our material science investigations of atomics, @MaterialAtomics https://www.youtube.com/@MaterialAtomics Join our mailing list https://bit.ly/3v3kz2S PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities. - Blog: http://DemystifySci.com/blog - RSS: https://anchor.fm/s/2be66934/podcast/rss - Donate: https://bit.ly/3wkPqaD - Swag: https://bit.ly/2PXdC2y SOCIAL: - Discord: https://discord.gg/MJzKT8CQub - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/DemystifySci - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/DemystifySci/ - Twitter: https://twitter.com/DemystifySci MUSIC: -Shilo Delay: https://g.co/kgs/oty671