Bret Speaks with Michael Shellenberger for the second time on the DarkHorse Podcast. They discuss censorship, the intelligence apparatus, and political disagreement with decency. Find Shellenberger on Substack: https://public.substack.com/ Find Shellenberger on Twitter: https://twitter.com/shellenberger ***** Our Sponsors: Hillsdale College: Since 1844, Hillsdale has been providing an education focused on freedom and character. Go hillsdale.edu/DARKHORSE to register for any of 39 free on-line courses. PaleoValley: Wide array of amazing products, including 100% grass fed, organic, naturally fermented beef sticks. Go to https://paleovalley.com/darkhorse for 15% off your first order. ***** Find Bret Weinstein on Twitter: @BretWeinstein, and on Patreon. Please subscribe to this channel for more long form content like this, and subscribe to the clips channel @DarkHorse Podcast Clips for short clips of all our podcasts. Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.darkhorsestore.org/ Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music. *****