The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More | Brought to you by the book How to Lead by David Rubenstein (https://tinyurl.com/y5sybu32). Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is normally my job to deconstruct world-class performers of various types, of all ilks. In this special episode, the tables are turned. Instead of interviewing someone else, I am interviewed by two experts on several topics I’ve both studied and supported, including psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy and what it can do to heal trauma and—broadly speaking—possible futures for mental health. This audio was recorded on a new show, The Psychedelic News Hour, soon to be a podcast, and I’m in conversation with two people: David Rabin, MD, PhD, (@drdavidrabin), a board-certified psychiatrist and neuroscientist, executive director of The Board of Medicine, and co-founder of Apollo Neuroscience, and Molly Maloof, MD, (@drmolly.co), a physician, Stanford lecturer, and ketamine-assisted psychotherapist. This episode was recorded on Clubhouse, an app still in private beta and defined by their tagline: “Clubhouse is a space for casual, drop-in audio conversations—with friends and other interesting people around the world.” One final note: I recorded this on my phone, a necessity for using the app, so the audio quality isn’t studio quality, but it was polished as much as possible. Thank you for understanding, and thanks to everyone who joined and asked thoughtful questions. Please enjoy! SUBSCRIBE: http://bit.ly/1dSzTkW About Tim Ferriss: Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 500 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running. Connect with Tim Ferriss: Sign up for "5-Bullet Friday" (Tim's email newsletter): https://go.tim.blog/5-bullet-friday-1/ Visit the Tim Ferriss PODCAST: https://tim.blog/podcast/ Visit the Tim Ferriss BLOG: https://tim.blog/ Follow Tim Ferriss on TWITTER: https://twitter.com/tferriss/ Follow Tim Ferriss on INSTAGRAM: https://www.instagram.com/timferriss/ Like Tim Ferriss on FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/TimFerriss/ 00:00 Start 03:58 Dave Rabin welcomes and introduces Tim 07:33 MAPS Capstone challenge raises $30 for clinical trials 13:30 MDMA as a therapeutic agent for treatment-resistant depression 17:36 How the clinical studies are performed: a two-pronged approach 25:17 Extreme caution and the importance of preparation 32:50 Approaching science in new ways plus resources on psychedelics 40:30 How to scale the availability of psychedelic therapies 48:18 The number-one problem in the psychedelic community 49:17 What are these medicines trying to teach us? 51:38 MAPS’s plan for scaling 53:31 Anticipating the challenges ahead 57:46 The importance of destigmatizing mental illness and psychedelic medicine 1:01:48 Start low, go slow 1:05:14 Psychedelics are not for everyone or every situation 1:10:08 Is 5-MeO-DMT the Everest of psychedelic medicine? Plus, restoring balance 1:13:41 Managing cortisol and burnout 1:17:54 Can psychedelics help with racism and sexism? 1:20:12 Pressing ethical questions 1:23:17 During COVID, how can one explore nonordinary states of consciousness while in isolation? 1:25:12 Ways to process a difficult psychedelic experience 1:33:35 Parting thoughts and investment/funding opportunities for furthering psychedelic research