In this thought-provoking interview, Mike, Nemo, and John Dehlin delve into the controversial topic of personal revelation in Mormonism. The discussion covers a range of doctrinal problems and contradictions that challenge the idea of personal revelation, from the dangers of blind obedience to leaders, confirmation bias, silencing dissenters and emotional manipulation. The conversation ultimately questions who has the authority to decide what constitutes valid personal revelation. LDS Discussions essay on personal revelation: http://ldsdiscussions.com/personal-revelation Episode Show Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/problems-personal-revelation/ LDS Discussions Series on Revelation in Mormonism: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOACG_xU4IZiQxnhcoqlCrdI LDS Discussions Full Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced _________________________ 00:00:00 Introduction 00:05:40 Personal revelation in Mormonism 00:23:00 Bokd K. Packer begins shrinking personal revelation down 00:30:15 Dallin Oaks and Russell Ballard explain personal revelation 00:47:15 The Catch 22 of Dallin Oaks’ comments on confirmation bias 00:55:00 How the church defines which personal revelations are valid 01:09:10 Personal revelation is only ok when it confirms the church (modern church leaders) 01:11:10 Dissenters are silenced 01:14:25 Christ encourages developing your own inner voice. “The Kingdom of Heaven is within” 01:16:40 The danger of just following the leaders, can lead to racism, death by suicide, cover up of abuse, immeasurable harm. 01:17:50 Nemo - The moral compass is evident in the Church. They don’t report child sexual abuse. 01:18:50 Lowry Nelson’s letters to the First Presidency calling racism “doctrine.” 01:21:00 “The right thoughts” to have in the Church. 01:22:15 Emotional manipulation either with a carrot or a stick 01:23:30 Nemo - teaching someone that they are unworthy and an enemy is a recipe for controlling them 01:26:40 Mike - Who are you to tell me that my personal revelation is wrong? 01:27:30 The leaders have no ability to discern future events, revelation, etc. 01:28:35 They’ve gotten it wrong so many times (racism, sexism, homophobia, abuse, etc) This becomes one of the most pernicious teachings of the Mormon Church. 1:29:00 Patriarchal blessings are stronger than personal revelation. ________________________ LDS Discussions is made possible by generous donors! Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: One-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories LDS Discussions Platforms: Website & Essays: https://www.ldsdiscussions.com Anchor: https://anchor.fm/lds-discussions Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2UkFsqYDl5SHiRX2dvA9MO YouTube Playlist on Mormon Stories Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxq5opj6GqOB7J1n6pMmdUSezxcLfsced LDS Discussions on Social Media: Twitter: twitter.com/ldsdiscussions Facebook: facebook.com/ldsdiscussion Insta: instagram.com/ldsdiscussions Contact Mormon Stories: MormonStories@gmail.com PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117 Mormon Stories on Social Media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF