
Steven Rinella talks with Dan Flores, Randall Williams, Cory Calkins, Corinne Schneider, and Phil Taylor. Topics discussed: Dan's brand new podcast on The MeatEater Network, "The American West With Dan Flores"; an unconventional telling of the West by an environmental historian; invasive aoudad as detrimental to native desert bighorn sheep populations; reintroducing species; deep history and long time; and more. Subscribe to The American West with Dan Flores now wherever you listen to podcasts! YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIQv7voZWHy4X3UFECqr3ggFIj9uQJT2O Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0wrs79YL0Jw2AjQrCBKUUu Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-american-west/id1811365050 iHeart: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1248-the-american-west-273702538/ Pandora: https://www.pandora.com/podcast/the-american-west/PC:1001101272 Amazon: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/17657fa8-7388-4983-8b26-c1d5505ed2e5/the-american-west Check out the gear the MeatEater Crew uses in the field here: https://store.themeateater.com Follow us: Web: https://www.themeateater.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/meateater Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the American West Podcast 03:12 Dan Flores: The Environmental Historian 05:51 Pigeon Catching Controversy in New York 08:50 The International Order of St. Hubertus 12:08 Audad Hunting and Conservation 15:09 The Dynamics of Audad and Bighorn Sheep 18:04 Hunting Experience in West Texas 20:53 Meat Quality and Culinary Insights 24:12 Wildlife Management and Non-native Species 26:52 State Regulations on Non-native Wildlife 30:12 Research and Conservation Efforts 33:03 Closing Thoughts on Wildlife Management 37:37 The Nene and Evolutionary Perspectives 40:31 The Lewis and Clark Expedition: A Historical Memory 47:35 The Grand Expedition: Jefferson's Second Attempt 54:11 The Spanish Encounter: A Forgotten Expedition 56:01 Antiquity and the American West 01:02:03 Personal Histories: Roots in Louisiana 01:09:41 Understanding the West: A Deeper Perspective 01:17:47 The Rise of Ancient Civilizations in the Southwest 01:18:56 Transition from Hunter-Gatherers to Agricultural Societies 01:22:14 The Agricultural Revolution and Its Impact 01:24:38 Chaco Canyon: A Testament to Ancient Urbanization 01:28:55 Cultural Comparisons: The Americas vs. Eurasia 01:30:59 The Complexity of Native American Societies 01:39:20 Cultural Custody and the Right to Narrate History 01:46:01 The Shared Human Experience Across Cultures

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