The Verge's Nilay Patel and David Pierce chat with Switched on Pop's Charlie Harding about the RIAA lawsuit against AI music startups Udio and Suno. Later, Nilay and David discuss the rest of this week's tech and gadget news. Further reading: https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/28/24188062/music-industry-ai-riaa-udio-suno-motorola-razr-google-pixel-vergecast 00:00 - Intro 04:52 - RIAA vs AI startups 07:42 - Music industry's history with copyright 17:02 - AI music outputs 34:01 - Fair Use and market impact 41:53 - The Internet's Impact on the music industry 50:26 - Upcoming Phone Announcements 55:33 - The State of Foldables 01:01:12 - Lightning Round Subscribe: http://goo.gl/G5RXGs Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLvX Follow on TikTok: http://bit.ly/42VeCVU The Vergecast Podcast: https://pod.link/430333725 Decoder with Nilay Patel: http://apple.co/3v29nDc More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Read More: http://www.theverge.com Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr Subscribe to The Vergecast on YouTube, new episodes on Tuesday and Friday: https://bit.ly/3I6nJtz If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may receive a commission without exerting any influence on editorial content. For more information about our ethics policy, visit: https://www.theverge.com/ethics-state...