In this episode of The Winston Marshall Show, I sit down with science writer Matt Ridley for a wide ranging conversation on the collapse of the post war consensus, the crisis of expertise, and the growing distrust in global institutions. We examine the failure of international organisations, from the WHO to the United Nations, and why the rules based order is now being challenged across the world. Ridley explains how technocratic systems, built after 1945, have become detached from reality, and why top down control has repeatedly failed to account for how complex systems actually work. The conversation explores the politicisation of science, from Covid origins to climate change, and how institutional incentives, funding pressures, and groupthink can distort the pursuit of truth. We discuss the suppression of debate, the lab leak theory, and the growing perception that scientific authority is being used to defend power rather than question it. We also debate Net Zero, energy policy, and why Britain’s economic stagnation is increasingly tied to high energy costs, overregulation, and political decision making that prioritises ideology over growth. Ridley outlines how innovation, markets, and technological breakthroughs are transforming the United States, and why the UK risks being left behind. A deep and challenging conversation about science, power, and whether the institutions that shaped the modern world are now losing the trust of the people they were built to serve. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To see more exclusive content and interviews consider subscribing to my substack here: https://www.winstonmarshall.co.uk/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FOLLOW ME ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Substack: https://www.winstonmarshall.co.uk/ X: https://twitter.com/mrwinmarshall Insta: https://www.instagram.com/winstonmarshall Linktree: https://linktr.ee/winstonmarshall ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------