Does public perception on crime and punishment need to change? Why are women who have been failed by society just being put in prison? How have we gone so far in the wrong direction when it comes to navigating addiction? Zack Polanski speaks to Shanice McBean, co-author of Abolition Revolution and member of Sisters Uncut as well as Janey Starling from Level Up about prison reform, domestic violence and how we can better protect women and girls in society.