In this conversation with Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller, Ken Wilber reflects on the turbulent dynamics of the last few years, and particularly the trajectory of the figures in what was called the Intellectual Dark Web (IDW) including Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin. This is released shortly after a recent Substack piece by David Fuller called 'What Happened to Jordan Peterson?': https://rebelwisdom.substack.com/p/what-happened-to-jordan-peterson Ken Wilber is the creator of Integral theory, it attempts to place a wide diversity of theories and models into one single framework. The basis is a "spectrum of consciousness," from archaic consciousness to ultimate spirit, presented as a developmental model. Very grateful to Dan Hammond for the audio mix. This is a follow up to conversations we recorded back in 2019, which were published as: Ken Wilber: 'Jordan Peterson and the evolution of thought': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDjCnFvz11A Ken Wilber: The Intellectual Dark Web, an Integral Conversation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2XK812tSmM