Support The Glenn Show at https://glennloury.substack.com For more information on the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, visit https://www.goacta.org/ 0:00 John: Let’s be honest about what “taking race into account” means in affirmative action 10:09 Glenn: How can anyone argue that race-based affirmative action doesn’t violate the 14th Amendment? 19:29 Why are we so focused on elite institutions? 24:32 John: The University of California works just fine without “racial preferences” 30:28 “You’re pulling the ladder up behind you” is an invalid critique 36:00 John: The fact that racism exists does not justify changing standards 45:04 Why Roland Fryer thinks we should put our money where our mouth is on race and education 52:04 Will the post-Students for Fair Admissions future turn into a Hardship Olympics? Glenn Loury and John McWhorter (Columbia, New York Times, Lexicon Valley). Recorded July 8, 2023.