He expresses that he is an urban permaculturist who is currently in the process of implementing permaculture design principles in his own yard.

“I am uh a bit of an Well, not a bit. I'm an urban permaculturist.”

He argues that while permaculture principles are intuitively sound, they require more rigorous scientific study to determine their actual effectiveness.

“there are people like Beth and Stag who I mentioned and other people around the world who are starting to apply science to these things to say this one works, let's keep at it. Uh this one works better if you do it this way or this one doesn't work at all. Don't waste your time,”