Government officials should be held accountable for the widespread fraud occurring in state welfare programs.

“So, here's the thing. This is what we like to call the social services um industrial complex. Serving the poor, quote unquote, the poor has become its own industry in the United States. And like Shelley was saying, all of these people who work in government in this particular sector of the governmen”

The federal government is too large and inefficient to effectively manage welfare programs, which facilitates systemic fraud.

“Because our federal government, government in general, but certainly our federal government is too big. It's too big. This is why this fraud continues. It's too big to audit. It's too big to manage efficiently.”