We are not told to know God but to love Him. John shares with Richard Joy his suspicion of human words and knowledge - even about Jesus. "I love silence. Silence is the real language." Richard Joy is the founder of a men's personal and spiritual development organisation - Awakened Man. He is the author of the book From Lost Boy to Awakened Man and runs the Awakened Man website and Men's Tribe. He mainly focuses on men's initiation via the 7-Step Path. https://www.youtube.com/c/AwakenedMan https://awakenedman.co.uk/ Music composed and played by Uma Vera. https://soundcloud.com/umahari Did you know you can now listen to John on Spotify and other audio platforms? Here is his most popular recording 'Common sense guide to meditation' (1m views) - https://ffm.to/commonsenseguidetomeditation. For your free copy of John's poem 'Clouds' join John Butler's email community here - http://spiritualunfoldment.co.uk. Those wanting more detailed accounts of John's life experience - the formative influences, which have taught and made him what he is, will find it in his 7 published books, available through the website: www.spiritualunfoldment.co.uk/store. Retreat guests asked if the sample t-shirt was more widely available in different size and colours. They are now - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi0TFuqj6eND-mJRf8i2Tnw/store Those who wish to support the Work of Spiritual Unfoldment can donate here - https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=BBAWMHB4JQMKY