AI text detectors have been notoriously unreliable, but that's starting to change. This year, Pangram keeps coming up as the trusted source in identifying AI-written text. We sit down with Pangram CEO Max Spero to find out how the system was made, how much we should trust it, and where the line is between useful AI and AI slop. 0:00 Intro 00:21 Are AI Detectors Reliable? 01:27 90 Seconds on The Verge 03:15 Meet Pangram CEO 03:25 How Pangram Built Trust 05:51 Pangram’s Active Learning 08:30 Assessing Text and Interpretability 11:16 Why Perplexity Detectors Break 14:19 How to Read Pangram Results 20:03 Commonwealth Prize Controversy 23:30 Who Uses Pangram? 25:43 AI in Student Writing 28:14 Keeping Up With New Models 32:18 Beating Humanizers 34:11 Pangram’s Sustainability and Future 35:39 Slop Janitor Philosophy Subscribe: http://goo.gl/G5RXGs Like The Verge on Facebook: https://goo.gl/2P1aGc Follow on Twitter: https://goo.gl/XTWX61 Follow on Instagram: https://goo.gl/7ZeLv Watch The Vergecast on YouTube: https://bit.ly/40RFRkg The Vergecast Podcast: https://bit.ly/3WQDexZ Decoder with Nilay Patel: http://apple.co/3v29nDc More about our podcasts: https://www.theverge.com/podcasts Read More: http://www.theverge.com Community guidelines: http://bit.ly/2D0hlAv Wallpapers from The Verge: https://bit.ly/2xQXYJr Shop our Verge merch store here: https://bit.ly/4kPCmEc Subscribe to The Verge: https://bit.ly/3FT6n5S Subscribe to The Vergecast on YouTube, new episodes on Tuesday and Friday: https://bit.ly/3I6nJtz If you buy something from a Verge link, Vox Media may receive a commission without exerting any influence on editorial content. For more information about our ethics policy, visit: https://bit.ly/3ZWTlLs