She asserts that for aspiring songwriters who want to succeed, moving to Nashville is a necessary and critical step to get into the professional mix.

“I agree with you moving to Nashville. Um because if you were an actor and you lived in Kansas City, like you know, you need to move in LA. You know, it's it's hard to get the gig if you're not there. So I I do believe that.”

He believes that the Nashville music industry has historically been a collaborative community rather than a competitive environment.

“Music row back then was like a campus. Mhm. You know, it wasn't so competitive that we forgot to be loving and human.”

Young artists in Nashville benefit from prioritizing songwriting and building professional connections early in their careers.

“if you can come to town as a young artist and just dig your claws in and meet some guys who who've been writing some songs or get in the room with some guys who who've written some pro songs, you know, like >> and and grind for a couple years like you can get great songs.”