Bret Weintein debates Jonathan Pageau with Jordan Hall on whether science or religion can save humanity from itself. Find Jonathan Pageau at https://www.thesymbolicworld.com and on x at https://x.com/PageauJonathan Bret thanks Redeemer Anglican Church for loaning them the space to do this podcast. ***** Thank you to our sponsor of this episode, Fresh-Pressed Olive Oil Club: Scrumptious & freshly harvested. Go to http://www.GetFreshDarkHorse.com to get a bottle of the best olive oil you’ve ever had for $1 shipping. ***** Join DarkHorse on Locals! Get access to our Discord server, exclusive live streams, live chats for all streams, and early access to many podcasts: https://darkhorse.locals.com Check out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: https://www.darkhorsestore.org Theme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music. ***** Mentioned in this episode: Ancient Wisdom, Modern World: Bret Speaks with Jonathan Pageau https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NYz1DJ4ByM *****