He argues that money conversations must be approached as fun and positive, and that partners need to move beyond intellectualizing to focus on shared goals and feelings.

“Number one, it's got to be fun. Talking about money has to be fun. That's number one. It's got to be easy. And you got to show your partner some grace because each of you is coming to these conversations with different history, different family history.”

She believes she and Marcus need to communicate more openly about their feelings regarding money to improve their partnership.

“I need to be able to talk with him and spitball ideas and have somebody that can be like, "Oh, that sounds great." Or like, "Oh, that's terrible."”